In a message dated 7/9/2002 7:20:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bikkamu@yahoo.co.jp writes:

Bloody formatting errors... stupid AOhelL e-mail

client... Anyway, here's 

the

response, resent, hopefully without the stupid

errors that plagued the 

last

send of this message.

In a message dated 7/9/2002 9:32:05 AM Eastern

Daylight Time,

Thermopyle@tds.net writes:

Don't make the mistake of assuming that

Genma is a total doofus and

that's

all there is to him.  He's more

complicated than that.

     Perhaps, but he *IS* a fat, lazy moron,

martial arts skill

notwithstanding.

...Genma could in no way be mistaken for being

fat.  Go read the breast

growth
arc where Ranma tries to peep on Akane and

gets his father, instead.

Which arc? Hmm... don't remember that one,

although it *HAS* been a while

since I've read the later volumes of the

manga... As for fat, don't forget

that *THIS* Genma's been at home all this

time...

Maybe.  There are a few things that are a problem.

When does Genma say women/girls are weak?

     Not in as many words. I explained why I have
him think that in a private 
discussion rather recently, but it won't hurt to do
it again. Among other 
things, Ranma was taught to bottle up emotions, both
because they were "weak" 
and because showing them is "unmanly". Hence, in at
least one context, Genma 
associates strength and masculinity. In addition,
Ranma was taught to avoid 
hitting or fighting girls (although it's hardly
something he's consistant 
about), and had to get that attitude *SOMEWHERE*.
Given that Genma was the 
only influence on his life... hence, he had to learn
it from him. Therefore, 
Genma is a chauvinist. There are a lot of other
lines of reasoning that I 
could take, but they all reach the same point.

And so?  You're comparing him to an American/western
definition of masculinity.  Japanese men are chauvinist
and sexual harrassment place quite a bit particularly in
the public sector.

    A hundred people can be wrong just as easily, if not more so, than one. 
Even if Genma's attitude is a reflection of his culture (pun not intended), 
it's still both wrong and something that Ranko doesn't agree with. She's a 
bit of a tomboy, if you haven't noticed.

Stoicism is a basic male trait... and there are considered
times when it is manly to cry.  The first episode of
Ranma.  After Genma changes back to a man and tell Soun
the story of what happened, we are shown a shot of the two
crying together.

    Item one: Genma's a hypocrite. Item two: No, it's not. Our culture, as 
well as the Japanese, regards it as such.

The one time he made a comment about Ranma

sounding like a girl, was during

Ranma's complaining about the curse.  You know the

sterotype: women always

complain.

Genma has Happosai as a master and probably

suffered the brunt of a few 

angry
females beating the crap out of him.(remember the

warning Genma gave to 

Ranma,
right before Happy sent all those women to pound

on him)

If he was lazy, he would not have gotten a job at

Dr. Tofu's.  IMPO if the 

curses
were supposed to teach Genma something, it was to

take it easy.  Non-stop 

martial
arts day-in and day-out.   No rest.  The panda

would be the best to teach 

that(He
didn't seem to mind it changing in later chapters.

 He was more interested 

in
curing his baldness. ^_^)

     No rest for Ranma. Genma, on the other hand,
did rest a lot. Remember 
the swamp filled with rabid wolves and the couch?

True,. but so is the path of the martial artist.  The
master sits and watches in the shade while you do some
esoteric exercise for an hour straight.

    Feh. My point is that he's lazy.

If the curses are suppsoed to teach something, how

does a newborn baby fit

in(Pantyhose Taro)?  Panythose was baptised in

Jusenkyo waters.  He was a 

totaal
inncoent.

     True, but I didn't say that they were
punishments, did I? No, the curse 
was to help him learn something. Given that
Happousai named him 
Pantsutotarou, or Pantyhose Boy, he'd have to learn
to not 'judge a book by 
its cover', to use a common expression. In other
words, he'd have to learn 
that things like what he looks like (a monster) or
his name don't matter.

You miss the point.  The point is that a young baby hasn't
formed so many opnions and whatnot about the world yet, so
how can it be that he needs to have what he knows
un-taught?  He shouldn't...

    No, no, no. The springs don't help correct errors, although that's one 
function. They help teach things that people need to learn. It's a subtle 
difference, but it makes a major difference in this case.

Rouge(drowned Shiva) seems to like her other form.

 Where does she fit in?

     Hard to say. We don't see much of her (outside
of her cursed form), and 
she only really seems to like her Ashura from when
she's in it. It's probably 
like the Virtuous Man spring probably is in that
regard. As for the lesson, 
Rouge seems to be the type to surpress her darker
emotions. My guess as to 
the lesson is that doing so isn't healthy. She would
need to get in touch 
with her emotions, including anger and so forth, to
get rid of her curse.

A stretch?

    It could be, but we don't really know that much about Rouge.



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